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Replacing MS Office: Online!

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Man, who wants to pay for MS Office? I could use that money to buy another computer! And, what about all those MBs!

So why pay for MS Office? The answer: it's the standard. But, there's good news! You CAN replace it! And, don't have to use disk space! Several options:

Word Processing (Word):

Spreadsheet (Excel)

  • NumSum - Can do a variety of tasks, and can share with others as a web page.
  • iRows - Nothing special.
  • JotSpot Tracker - Can create a webpage as well.
  • TrimPath - Lightweight.
  • AJAXXLS - From those guys who did AjaxWrite!

Calender (Outlook)

Presentation (PowerPoint)

Web Design (FrontPage)

Instant Messenger (Windows Messenger)

Office Suites

Operating Systems

OK, maybe not OSs ;-)

Note to all: I won't be doing offline programs. AbiWord and OpenOffice ARE good though. As is KOffice and all that other stuff.

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{"commentId":94482,"authorDomain":"snaxiB"}

Or you could get OpenOffice.org and solve all the Word, excel, poerpoint, publisher needs for free...Also "Windows nessager" is just MSN messanger in a different .exe file.

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Reply#1 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:21 PM EDT
{"commentId":94509,"authorDomain":"jasonkarlin"}

I think he's going for online solutions so OpenOffice wouldn't qualify. And no, MSN Messenger is not just a renamed exe. There is a lot more stuff (mostly crap) in MSN Messenger.

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Reply#2 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:41 PM EDT
{"commentId":94527,"authorDomain":"dargon"}

Writely also currently isn't available for use while Google takes over and makes some changes.

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Reply#3 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:55 PM EDT
{"commentId":94825,"authorDomain":"gregplancich"}

You had to have signed up before they were bought out by Google. Those that did (me! :-)) can still use it fine.

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#3.1 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:06 PM EDT
{"commentId":96892,"authorDomain":"kurt"}

Or I can send you one of 37 invites

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  • 1 vote
#3.2 - Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:49 PM EDT
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{"commentId":94628,"authorDomain":"chill888"}

You have a list of (mainly very nice) products that mostly do little tasks, not full featured like Office.

However, there are some full featured complex online things that are compatible and can replace Word, EXCEL etc (at least for most people).

Thinkfree, for example, is a complet office compatible online suite for example (no I dont work for them) and works well.

http://www.thinkfree.com/products/index.jsp

I am sure there are others.

Regards

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Reply#4 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:34 PM EDT
{"commentId":97186,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

Oops, forgot ThinkFree.

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#4.1 - Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:11 PM EDT
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{"commentId":94638,"authorDomain":"theannalog"}

there are great free apps for almost all of my needs... except voice-recognition! it seems that when I got carpal tunnel I became chained to Microsoft forever. Dragon only runs on Windows, and ViaVoice is not even a serious competitor -- accuracy is so bad that you get no wrist relief, and I can't imagine how you'd use it if you didn't have the use of your hands. Voice recognition is such a tough problem that startups don't want to touch it.

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Reply#5 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:52 PM EDT
{"commentId":94655,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

As I'm actually working in this industry I'll toss in my thoughts as well. Many of these present excellent products, but suffer from a lack of integration that has made products like Office so popular. Open Office, while a great alternative, doesn't have the same on-line collaborative properties as the web based solutions.

At the risk of going over the "self promotion" line, the company I work for has developed a set of on-line family organizational tools which are sort of integrated into a web portal. We're still spinning up and aren't quite prime time yet (unlike many of these other aspects) but we're approaching this problem with the concept of collaboration and integration in mind - which I think will be our contribution to the field.

If anyone is interested, you can toy with this stuff for free at www.cingo.com (left unlinked in an attempt to respect the honor code). We're still in an early phase and thus are taking live feedback on the site. This is a fairly tech-savy crowd, so your opinions would be most welcome.

Full disclosure: Yes, I do draw a paycheck from Cingo. No, I'm not being paid or compensated for my writing on Newsvine in any way. No, my boss has not asked, implied, hinted, or even suggested that I write this post.

This stuck me as topical. If I'm over the line I'm sure the author will delete my post.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":94850,"authorDomain":"roger3000"}

hey paychecks are cool i appreciate all info...thx.. and really thanks to all this is interesting...

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#6.1 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":95026,"authorDomain":"nicwilliams"}

Where do I click on Cingo's site to get some of those paychecks?

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#6.2 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:19 AM EDT
{"commentId":303435,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

This stuck me as topical. If I'm over the line I'm sure the author will delete my post.

Hey, this is fine. It's certainly topical!

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#6.3 - Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:53 PM EDT
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{"commentId":94862,"authorDomain":"Paradox460"}

You forgot Skype.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:33 PM EDT
{"commentId":97187,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

Skype isn't an online app.

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#7.1 - Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":99582,"authorDomain":"johnsrichards"}

Skype is indeed an on-line app. It is a fundamental program for a lot of new collaboration tools. It is a soft client that, you may log into from any PC.

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#7.2 - Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:36 PM EDT
{"commentId":99683,"authorDomain":"DrJuice"}

Don't you need to download and install Skype, just like most instant messenger clients? I think that's what makes it seperate from true "online apps" that run within the browser.

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#7.3 - Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:21 PM EDT
{"commentId":99722,"authorDomain":"vesper"}

Yes, this is the key to the term used in the headline of the article. In order for an application to be "online", it needs to be able to be run without the need of installation software and from within a browser.

So if Skype can be used from a browser like Firefox or IE, then it's Online, otherwise it's a desktop client.

Of course the same could be said about the browser in the first place. :)

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  • 2 votes
#7.4 - Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:48 PM EDT
{"commentId":99916,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

The last two comments pretty much sum up what I mean.

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#7.5 - Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:39 PM EDT
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{"commentId":94882,"authorDomain":"mattball"}

Can someone please explain to me why the world seems to be suddenly obsessed with browser-based applications. Tell me this: How, from an interface point of view, does opening a web browser to type a Word document make sense?

Excuses do not include:

  • Cross-Platform - OpenOffice does this without being browser-based
  • Having access to your documents from any machine - Firstly, anyone can accomplish this by keeping a documents folder on your home machine synchronized with an FTP server. Secondly, storing your documents exclusively online presents a major problem if the company goes out of business (as most of these "Web 2.0" companies are likely to do) or the server goes down.
  • Being trendy - I suspect this is the main reason. Being trendy does not make you cool. Anyone who seriously considered answering my question with this reason needs to ask the next person they see to kick them in the groin. ;P

In all seriousness, I would like to hear the logic behind the sudden popularity of what seems to me to be a nonsensical merger of two seemingly-unrelated technologies.

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Reply#8 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:05 AM EDT
{"commentId":94949,"authorDomain":"gregplancich"}

I don't think most people know how to set-up or use an FTP server.

I use OpenOffice on my Powerbook, but when I have to send myself a document at school, I can't send it to my Gmail because it's blocked. So, I save it to my desktop and upload it to Writely where I can easily get it later.

Of course, I could just do that with a Flash Drive, but I lose those things all the time so having it on a server is much better for me.

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#8.1 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:04 AM EDT
{"commentId":95134,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

The main reason is that collaborative software running on a network involves some really hellishly difficult synchronization work. That's because the standard model involves a distributed interface with a distributed processing system. The system is greatly simplified if you centralize processing while distributing the interface, which is what web based apps create.

Moreover, the ability to roll out upgrades, additional features, etc is greatly magnified, which allows for a smaller initial capitol input in the development cycle.

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    #8.2 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:21 AM EDT
    {"commentId":95144,"authorDomain":"fastfinge"}

    Because tabs and JavaScript and xml and rss and tags and web 2.0 ajax allow deployment of paradigm-changing technology to maximize employee functional matrix user space, while preserving and enhancing interpersonal relationship and contact connectivity in a socially aware collaborative multinetworking managed top level business environment, allowing for effective maximization and prioritization of multidimensional asynchronous information arrays, agent driven real-time collection, dissemination, and classification, user managed adaptive market responses, and a first response policy towards the changing informational landscape. In other words, everyone else is doing it, so you should, too. Can I have a job now?

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    #8.3 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:33 AM EDT
    {"commentId":95149,"authorDomain":"killfile"}

    The Buzzwords are eating my brain.... Marketing doublespeak... pain....

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      #8.4 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:40 AM EDT
      {"commentId":95181,"authorDomain":"fastfinge"}

      Now you've got me picturing web 2.0 brain-eating ajax powered zombies. They allow for full user interaction in all aspects of the brain consumption process! I'll go away, now.

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        #8.5 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:09 AM EDT
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        {"commentId":94911,"authorDomain":"karo"}

        Google calendar just came out, TODAY. Also, you are forgeting Gaim. Otherwise, great list.

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        Reply#9 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:38 AM EDT
        {"commentId":97188,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

        I love both products, but Gaim is an offline program.

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          #9.1 - Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:13 PM EDT
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          {"commentId":94987,"authorDomain":"thethoughtcollide"}

          Goowy.com has a beta IM client now. It has issues though, like when you remove an IM account (Yahoo, MSN, AOL), you still end up logging into that account every time. As if you didn't remove it. And when you logged off, sometimes you still remain logged in.

          These kind of apps are definitely something to watch though. Since I started using Meebo, Goowy, and Writely, I haven't needed anything else.

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          Reply#10 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:27 AM EDT
          {"commentId":95031,"authorDomain":"thepef"}

          Offline is still a problem. Many users of office applications are users on the go, and they don't always have access to the Internet. This is changing as WiFi becomes more prolific, but there are always going to be instances where you aren't connected.

          This is where a fundamental shift in PC design has to take place. A month ago I posted on my blog what this future PC might look like. http://thepef.blogs.com/my_weblog/2006/03/application_fut.html

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          Reply#11 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:42 AM EDT
          {"commentId":95043,"authorDomain":"scr"}

          Hey, thanks for the nice list. And people, use OpenOffice! : )

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            Reply#12 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:17 AM EDT
            {"commentId":95209,"authorDomain":"georgei"}

            Two things:

            1) Google Calendar (http://calendar.google.com/)
            2) Abiword (http://www.abisource.com/)

            {"commentId":95209,"threadId":"7775","contentId":"164378","authorDomain":"georgei"}
              Reply#13 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:31 AM EDT
              {"commentId":95271,"authorDomain":"hamstu"}

              This is exactly what Bill Gates is worrying about.

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                Reply#14 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:31 AM EDT
                {"commentId":95296,"authorDomain":"vesper"}

                @George Ingham: Is Abiword an "online"? I don't see a way of using it from a browser.

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                  Reply#15 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:47 AM EDT
                  {"commentId":95322,"authorDomain":"georgei"}

                  No, it's not online, but it does a great job of replacing microsoft word.

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                  #15.1 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:14 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":95889,"authorDomain":"Paradox460"}

                  If you want a beefed up of open office, for several hundred cheaper than microsoft, with more features than word and office, star office is the way to go. It is old and stable, works on any platform, and Open Office was based on it (its made by sun)

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                  • 1 vote
                  #15.2 - Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:29 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":96319,"authorDomain":"vesper"}

                  @George Ingham: Yes, I'm sure Abiword is great. So is OpenOffice and many others. However, the article is about "Online" (web based) alternatives to Office, not desktop alternatives.

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                  #15.3 - Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:09 PM EDT
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                  {"commentId":97725,"authorDomain":"DrJuice"}

                  As a crazy person who hears voices and is perparing for the iminent dwarf invasion, I don't mind using Office (well, Word at least). For a typical school report, I go with Office. If I have something that I'd like some more creative formatting on, such as a project for my Design class, I use Pages for that. I haven't tried any of the online apps yet because I haven't really seen a need to. I had NeoOffice/J for about it week, and I really, really disliked it.

                  One thing I'd like to see in future versions of various offline, standalone office suites, or at least word processors, is support for HTML tags for formatting. I don't like the way Word handles lists and indentation, and perhaps as a result of my Newsvine addiction ("My name is Andrew, and I have a problem") I sometimes find myself starting to type blockquote in a Word document.

                  As a student (at a community college, no less) I don't yet have the need to be able to access my data anywhere at anytime, which is why I don't use any of these products or 37Boxes or Google Calendar. I figure if you're a busy, on-the-go professional and you find yourself without access to a computer, your own laptop, or your Palm, you're probably in jail or you've been kidnapped by South America rebels, or something equally bad in which that TPS report is the least of your worries :) Besides, if nothing else you can always opt for the low-tech approach of pen and paper, and type it up later. I think the paradigm is slowly starting to change, but bandwidth needs to become faster and more available, and devices need to become cheaper to be more ubiquitous.

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                    Reply#16 - Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:56 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":98023,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

                    Hey, you're not crazy. But, not everyone can afford Office. Also, it doesn't work with anything besides Mac and Windows (but you can get Parallels, or another virtual machine). But, Word is fine.

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                      #16.1 - Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:43 PM EDT
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